Sunday, June 1, 2008

Thanks, Phil



With 1 and 1/2 exceptions, I can't think of any records produced by Phil Spector that I really like.

But I think the single End of the Century is just the cat's meow . . .

agreed?

18 comments:

¡barangus!™ said...

EOTC is without a doubt Joey's record. He was such a softie with a love of lush arrangements.

mister muleboy said...

a lover of the oldies.

his NYC "punk" tour of the late '80s/early nineties [I don't remember when; I was the "off'l" photographer, and we know how that usually went . . . ] was, while hip and young, really straight outta some '50s r'n'r tour . . .

mistermuleboy said...

I hate it when my subtle "humour" remains too . . . subtle.

The Jestaplero said...

Great records produced by Phil Spector:

River Deep Mountain High - Ike and Tina
A couple of great singles by the Righteous Brothers
numerous girly-group singles
Let It Be
Plastic Ono Band
All Things Must Pass
Imagine
Concert for Bangladesh
Phil Spector's Christmas Album
JL's Rock 'n' Roll (half)
End of the Century

So I count 7 1/2 albums and numerous singles. He also produced albums for Dion and Leonard Cohen that I've never heard.

mister muleboy said...

I count 1 and 1/2 albums on the same list.

Plastic Ono Band, and Rock Roll

The Jestaplero said...

You've got to be kidding. Imagine? Yeah, only the most beloved solo album by the greatest figure ever to emerge during the rock era. "Er, not very good." There isn't a single bad song on it and four (title track, How Do You Sleep, Gimme Some Truth, Jealous guy) that are 4-star solid gold classics.

All Things Must Pass? No good? You are kidding me. If it's not a great album, it's because it's TWO great albums. I can't think of a single weak track on the album proper. Can you name one? I can only divide them up under "instant classic" and "toweringly graceful and beautiful album cut."

Bangladesh? An astonishing achievement in production.

Let It Be is a great album by any band's standard, except the one who made it.

The rest of the things on the list, the various singles and the Xmas album, oh, they're just some of the most perfect creations of any kind, not just musical, to be produced by late 20th-century pop culture. Let's just trash them all.

If you say you don't like them, I can't argue with you, but I can feel bad that you have such a cramped and curmudgeonly view of some of the most widely-cherished and beloved music ever created.

But if you try to say these aren't great records, I just think you're trolling for an argument.

The Jestaplero said...

About Concert for Bangladesh:

If it was only side 1 we'd be talking about one of the greatest live classical Indian music concerts ever recorded.

If it was only side 5 we're talking one of the great Bob Dylan live sets ever.

In between we just get a Beatle running through exceptional versions of his finest moments from the White Album, Abbey Road and his best solo album.

Thrown in we get another Beatle doing the best three minutes of his entire career, and a fun but skippable Leon Russell bathroom break.

What's left is only...the best thing on the whole album, the Greatest Keyboardist Who Ever Lived, Rock's Greatest Show-Stealer of All Times, doing the best version of his best song Ever.

"Erm, not up to snuff!"

TourqueYMada said...

You've got to be kidding. Imagine? Yeah, only the most beloved solo album by the greatest figure ever to emerge during the rock era. "Er, not very good."


I think the quote should be "er, not great." And "beloved by whom?" comes to mind as a question; certainly not by me, or by lots of folks, I presume.

There isn't a single bad song on it and four (title track, How Do You Sleep, Gimme Some Truth, Jealous guy) that are 4-star solid gold classics.
I rank two of those -- GST and JG -- as really, really good, Imagine as good, and HDYS as pretty good.


All Things Must Pass? No good? You are kidding me. If it's not a great album, it's because it's TWO great albums.


I rank it as "waited 'til 30th Anniversary ever to buy," and "instantly misplaced CDs and haven't found them."

And there are some songs on it that I like quite well when they come on the radio.

Bangladesh? An astonishing achievement in production.

Let It Be is a great album by any band's standard, except the one who made it.
I really love "let it Be."

The rest of the things on the list, the various singles and the Xmas album, oh, they're just some of the most perfect creations of any kind, not just musical, to be produced by late 20th-century pop culture. Let's just trash them all.

? I guess the tables have turned, because now I'm sure that *you* are kidding, since I didn't trash anything at all, I said that I didn't think they were great. And I don't trash them at all by saying they mean absolutely nothing to me.

If you say you don't like them, I can't argue with you, but I can feel bad that you have such a cramped and curmudgeonly view of some of the most widely-cherished and beloved music ever created.

"Cramped and curmudgeonly view"?

I said that I can only think of 1 1/2 records by Phil Spector "that I really like." [I meant to say 1 1/2 albums, but this slipup didn't bother anyone].

"Cramped and curmudgeonly"?

But if you try to say these aren't great records, I just think you're trolling for an argument.


I said they aren't records that I "really like." But I don't want any doubts, and I [sometimes] dislike equivocation. They aren't great records.

As for trolling for an argument, I was trolling for the trick question. "End of the Century" isn't a single at all; it isn't even a song.

Much like [sometimes] dislike equivocation, it was all part of my grand scheme to be cramped and curmudgeonly through my never-ending quest for self-jollies and chuckles. . . .

The Jestaplero said...

I said "7 1/2 great albums." You said "nope 1 1/2."

Cramped and curmudgeonly.

Why do you hate Amurrica?

Michael Palin in the Cheese Shop said...

"Sorry, Squire, we're right out of Imagine. Not much call for it. It's not very POP-uh-lah..."

Sgt. Cockring said...

"beloved by whom?" comes to mind as a question

About a gazillion people all over the world. Standing in the rain, swaying, weeping softly, clutching a candle in a paper cup.

Nobody, really.

TourqueYMada said...

Standing in the rain, swaying, weeping softly, clutching a candle in a paper cup.

That's why we did all of that? To celebrate an album?

Had nothing to do with ceaseless efforts for peace? Lost innocent youth ["I Wanna Hold Your Hand" stuff]? Twenty-year body of work?

That chocolate-coated for public consumption recording led to all of that?*






*sorry about a Wiki cite; I is lazy.

TourqueYMada said...

And don't get me wrong -- I'm sure the record is beloved. By many, many more people than the number who place BrSpears Toxic in their "beloved song" list. And it [the single] stands the test of time as a radio staple.

Indeed, we haven't discussed a couple of songs on the record that are freakin' amazing: OML is an awesome song, imho. How is too.

doesn't change anything i said earlier


my math actually has 2 1/2 albums I really like

[POB, RnR, LetItBe], so I was fooling you on the math (I discovered after being led to Let It Be, a definitely-not-great album that I do really like)

And while we're at it, End of the Century a great album? Not in my book. RnRRadio does rock my little world.

The Jestaplero said...

The same Wiki site that said:

"Upon release in September and October 1971, Imagine was warmly regarded by critics and promptly went to #1 worldwide and became an enduring seller, with the title track reaching #3 in the U.S. and #1 in the UK...In 2003, Imagine was placed at #76 in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time."

Is it just me or does it seem you just said really like virtually every song on Imagine but you don't really like Imagine? What is it? The cover art?

Any album with the songs Let It Be, Get Back, Two of Us, I've Got a Feeling, Across the Universe and The Long and Winding Road - even if it has some dodgy production issues - is a great album by any standard except possibly the Beatles'. ITs reputation suffers because of that and the general bad vibes associated with it.

And if you think Phil screwed the pooch, just listen to what Glyn Johns came up with in '69, or what the Twotles did 30 years later...they make Phil seem like the freakin' genius that he was.

The Jestaplero said...
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TourqueYMada said...

Is it just me or does it seem you just said really like virtually every song on Imagine but you don't really like Imagine? What is it? The cover art?

It's just you.

TourqueYMada said...

And now, to amplify: I like -- a lot -- the songs GST and JG. I really like the song OML. I like the song How.

I like the recording of almost none of them; the gazillion years of JG demos and attempts, often as various different songs, all move me as much or more. I don't "really like" the album -- the recording and compilation of songs, or cover art, of the Imagine record.

This taste of mine is shared by millions and millions of other people all over this giant planet of ours. It is not shared by millions and millions of other people.

Billions and billions of Chinese only have HongKong bootlegs of a few tracks to listen to on their rubber-band-powered cassette players, and none of them can abide "Crippled Inside" or "Oh Yoko."

I also don't like Mind Games or McCartney, and I vastly prefer Beatles For Sale over The Beatles. . . .

The Chineeee are silent

The Jestaplero said...

If you liked Cramped and Curmudgeonly, you'll love

Arbitrary and Capricious!


I like the recording of almost none of them; the gazillion years of JG demos and attempts, often as various different songs, all move me as much or more.

And yet the recording approach is virtually the same as all kinds of music you DO like, as in Walls and Bridges.

Enough bickering. Let's settle this like men:

http://jestaplero.blogspot.com/2008/06/great-phil-spector-records.html

Blog wars!!!